Curse

Ri3tN · Jun 20, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

I've been trying to see which works better in PvE, I like the damage on eviscerate and deep wound.. But cleave is only 4 adrenaline! Can anyone tell me which I should use?

Also, I'm a w/mo (I made this after my mesmer and necromancer) and I was wondering what healing skills I should bring for tanking, healing skills from monk side or just a healing signet ?

Mr_eX · Jun 20, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Eviscerate is quintessential for a damage-oriented axe warrior build because of the Deep Wound. Cleave is nice, but not really worth the elite slot compared to eviscerate.

Bring Healing Signet and chance your secondary class, unless you want to get creative with Smiting Prayers to supplement your damge-dealing abilities. Leave healing to your monks.

Pick Me · Jun 20, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Mr_eX

Eviscerate is quintessential for a damage-oriented axe warrior build because of the Deep Wound. Cleave is nice, but not really worth the elite slot compared to eviscerate.

Bring Healing Signet and chance your secondary class, unless you want to get creative with Smiting Prayers to supplement your damge-dealing abilities. Leave healing to your monks.

I agree.

Eviscerate is better. Your tactics should be high enough that the signet can be used. Use defensive stances to allow you to use healing signet. The only monk skill you need is Rebirth (okay, maybe mend ailment).

Katari · Jun 20, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

The more you spam low-cost adrenal skills, the less effective your high cost adrenal skills become. Also, the Evicerate is an effective damage skill, and causes deep wound. With Cleave you're forced to take Dismember along for your deep wound.

As far as PvE goes, Triple Chop is another exelent option. While yet again you're stuck with dismember, mobs are frequent enough in PvE that you can get great milage out of Triple Chop's AoE. Just make sure you use a zealous mod if you plan to spam Triple Chop+Cyclone Axe.

Ole Man Bourbon · Jun 20, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

If you have 2 W's attacking the same target with axes, it's kinda dumb for BOTH to have Eviscerate. Something to remember.

tuperwho · Jun 20, 2006, 11:46 PM // 23:46

I think of deep wound as being an extra 90-100 damage. Thus, even though you can use cleave approximately twice as often as eviscerate (yes, I know it's more complicated than 8 adrenaline is twice 4 adrenaline), it's 26 damage at 12 axe mastery (but doubled b/c you can use it ~twice as often, so 52) simply cannot compare to eviscerate's 34 damage plus the deep wound.

As far as tanking goes: My strategy is sentinel armor, plus a shield (exalted aegis with strength req.) plus defensive upgrade on my weapon. 121 armor at all times without using any skills ought to get you pretty far. Personally, I use troll ungent when I need it, but for a w/mo, maybe healing touch or vig. spirit. I'm just personally not a big fan of heal sig, especially in a setup where you're trying to max your defense.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jun 21, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

I have recently discovered the wonders of triple chop. It's like cyclone axe and executioners strike put together. And it's really easy to cap. But if you don't want to go to Factions{although you only need to be there about 10 mins if you start from the lions arch boat trip} then i'd go for eviscerate.

Francis Demeules · Jun 21, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

The thing with cleave is you dont really need many attacks skills. With it, you can brings some more supports for you.

Lando Griffen · Jun 21, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40

I think most everyone will tell you that Eviscerate is the way to go. Infact, that's why axe warriors seem to be flamed so much, because it's an incredibly powerful attack. It's essential for coordinated adrenaline spikes because of the deep wound it adds. Cleave is nice, however, for it's spammability, but if just wanted to go for damage per second and spammability, I'd consider a sword ( <3 dragon slash + sun and moon slash + galrath slash)

Hope that helps

Despondency · Jun 21, 2006, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

The thing with cleave is you dont really need many attacks skills. With it, you can brings some more supports for you.

See, if you do that, you're becoming more of a monk, and doing less damage. In PvP, you already have monks of some kind that can already heal you. You aren't being what a warrior was made for if you add THAT many healing skills. Bah, may as well go play a monk.

Farin · Jun 21, 2006, 06:48 AM // 06:48

None, Triple Chop. It owns face.

Yichi · Jun 21, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47

there is actually a thread debating the use of eaither skill in pve? wow i need to get out more...

Valkyries · Jun 22, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Eviserate is better than cleave hands down. IMO it isn't even debatable.

HOWEVER, I agree with the few who says Triple Chop. Im sorry this is the shiznit... You wanna smash people, and lots of them, all at once?? Use Triple Chop. In Addition, since you are W/Mo, you can take, take the damage, and really dish out the punishment. You are a power leveling character new best friend I can assure you.

Hemophiliac · Jun 23, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Triple Chop mainly and I toss in Evis' for certain mission.....

jummeth · Jun 23, 2006, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by Valkyries

Eviserate is better than cleave hands down. IMO it isn't even debatable.

HOWEVER, I agree with the few who says Triple Chop. Im sorry this is the shiznit... You wanna smash people, and lots of them, all at once?? Use Triple Chop. In Addition, since you are W/Mo, you can take, take the damage, and really dish out the punishment. You are a power leveling character new best friend I can assure you.

Since when did W/Mo = durable?

All high level War solo farming does not involve monk secondary skills. Typically they use W/Me or W/N

But anyway, for PvE Triple Chop is nice to power your adreno skills, however Eviserate is just so much more satisfying. If you have many difficult bosses in an area, you should use Evis since that will be much more useful in that sense.

Lets Get to Healing · Jun 23, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Eviscarate > Cleave. Take Executioners.

fb2000 · Jun 23, 2006, 11:56 AM // 11:56

ehm why use eviscerate on pve?? true, i suppose it might be useful sometimes, but its not like you have a target which needs to be spiked within 2-3 secs tops to death like in pvp..

if u are sure u wont run in blocking monsters, Whirling axe, Penetrating blow and chop work nice on single monsters or a energy low build.

triple chop for chopping many enemies

thats what i use myself, tho im limited to fow spiders if i go farm

Legendary Shiz · Jun 23, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

The only thing IMO that makes Eviscerate anything is the addition of deep wound.

Cleave is easier to find, and it does MUCH more damage. You can get off two cleaves in the time it takes to get the adrenaline for one eviscerate. Granted cleave doesnt add a condition, but it all depends on what you want to do.

I personally use cleave.

SnipiousMax · Jun 23, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Why deep wound something that is going to die seconds later, only to build up adrenaline again to deep wound something that is also going to die seconds later. Things don't live long enough, and mob monks are not nearly talented enough to make deep wound neccesary to kill something. Triple Chop is the best option IMHO for a PvE Axer.

Now, Deep wound is invaluble in PvP, and a warrior without it is subpar. Thus Eviscearte is king to the PvP Axe build.

Katari · Jun 23, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

Why deep wound something that is going to die seconds later, only to build up adrenaline again to deep wound something that is also going to die seconds later. Things don't live long enough, and mob monks are not nearly talented enough to make deep wound neccesary to kill something. Triple Chop is the best option IMHO for a PvE Axer.

Now, Deep wound is invaluble in PvP, and a warrior without it is subpar. Thus Eviscearte is king to the PvP Axe build.

The use of deep wound in PvP is to kill things. end of Story. Nobody really hits a target with deep wound with the intent of reducing incomming healing, they use it to subtract 20% of max health from current health.

Why would deep wound be any less effective in PvE? Use Trip Chop + Dismember.